View Full Version : Rolling subs in local adult 11-a-side football
I am looking to send a letter to those in power at Soho Square to suggest that there should be rolling on and off subs at adult 11-a-side town football. The level we are talking about is anything below UCL and all sunday football.
Reasons- We are more likely to be able to give more people a game for longer by introducing the sub or subs during the first half and then bring the players who came off back on later.
It keeps squad members more keen to stay with the club.
If you have made all your subs and one of your players gets injured through no fault of their own then you can still compete with a full team and not be penalised due to the other teams fault.
Also a player who has taken a knock can have better and more time for treatment and better chances of recovery to continue later in the game than make a swift decision to be subbed or try and continue and make the injury worse , therefore miss the next 2-3 matches.
Players who are close to over stepping the line with the referee can be taken off and when they have calmed down re introduced.
The argument by some may be that it would timewaste . Then thats the responsibility of the referee to add time on afterall how long does it take to make a sub ?.
I suggested it to the Fa for kids soccer to which they implimented it and it has been a great success. They should now take the next step
Any comments would be welcome for or against
Back of the Net
03-10-2008, 13:16
Can't see any fault in the reasons why mate but I just cant agree with it personally...
How do you feel as an opposing team when losing 1 nil in a tight game and the opposition make repeated subs to break up the game and your attacking play in the final 15 mins or so? Surely a recipe for full blown arguments/shouting/moaning etc!
Also how do you feel when an oppossing player is close to being sent off or carded for violent conduct/fouls etc and they've already made 3 subs, they then get repeated chances to replace these lads and send on more to foul you until close to being sent off and then replace them etc etc, some teams will exploit this for sure!
And fitness then becomes an issue, whats the point of having the best training/fitness etc when you can come up against 16 lads all half cut from the night before but able to play 10 mins on, 10 mins off and equal it out?
And then you watch match of the day and fail to see any comparissons to the games you've been involved with that morning... I dont mean in skill level, I mean in the overall tactics etc... We're adults and want to have at least the same game as our professional counterparts.....
Just my take on it initially...
We had this problem with the Peterborough Charity Cup tournament rolling subs were not allowed in order to have it sanctioned in line with FA rules, that would have been nice in that kind of instance but to implement that into leagues and competitive games would pose alot of problems I think.
Back of the Net
03-10-2008, 13:34
oh and of course as a ref how the hell do you manage it all?
15 - 20 subs in 1 game, are there 22 players on the pitch or did I spot 23 or 24 even? is this your 2nd card as I seem to recall booking you already (changed tops on the sidelines)? it's the 10th sub in 10 mins is this timewasting and what can i do about it as we'll be playing till midnight if I keep adding minutes on? etc etc.
I wouldn't want to ref it for sure!
it would be a good idea for leagues that exist just to keep people happy but i sure most will agree that no matter what level i play at in Peterborough i want to win and therefor the game would be very competative so the time wasting breaking the play up with constant subs would be taken advantage of.
Not to mention ever since i remember playing football you make your subs and thats that.
i understand what you mean about keeping players intersted but in my books that just means if you dont get in you can try harder and earn your spot or bite the bullet and drop to your own standards.
Not for me im afraid.
I thought that the FA wanted the game to be equal from top to bottom of the pyramid; hence why there is no goal-line technology yet?
boot boy
03-10-2008, 15:14
no way aint having none of it.better letter would be to bring back tackles from behind allowing to actually put a challenge in on the keeper etc etc when football was football
how old are you boot boy?
boot boy
03-10-2008, 15:19
take a look on sspio website harbs
Back of the Net
03-10-2008, 15:20
Splidge has been around forever but still only 22 or something - aint that right mate?
boot boy
03-10-2008, 15:23
yeah be nice mate before kids etc still get away with pink t shirts then hey raph
Glasgow Rangers Champions
03-10-2008, 15:27
Rob i think that its a great idea but i am with Harbs and BOTN on this one, as much as it would keep people interested i think that it would take away to much of what we all love about the game.
For me when you put on a starting shirt it gives you a great feeling because you feel that you have earned it. It also keeps evrybody on there toes knowing if you play badly then once your of thats it for the day.
Not for me either and sounds to much like an American football game stop start etc and special plays. Bring him on because he is great from dead ball situation. Now take him off as he is 20stone lol. im sure ya get the drift.
Also if this is in at grass roots football what are we teaching our kids. That if your not good enough dont worry you will still get on at some point as we have unlimited substatutions. God half these kids will get a shock when they progress to mens football and are sat for 90mins on the sidelines and dont even get a game.
As the saying goes "if it aint broken, dont fix it"
Pink is a calming colour, it calms the women.
great idea in theory but really isn't the way forward. its ok in friendlies as there is no competitiveness and the games are usually a relaxed affair. also i think raph makes a good point. at the end of the day we all play the same game so we should all be playing by the same rules. changing rules at different levels would take the integrity of the sport away.
also pboro prem/div1 clubs can meet ucl sides in the county cups and the ucl clubs have the potential to meet some very big clubs through other competitions so there is actually a chain between the peterborough league to the very top of the game. you cant really turn round one week and say " this is the county cup so we are playing by a different set of rules".
JB speaks sense, have you been to church? ;)
Notbothered
03-10-2008, 16:02
Officially worst idea ever!
Back of the Net
03-10-2008, 16:11
just ahead of yours when creating your profile on PST?
Notbothered
03-10-2008, 16:15
my profile??/
Back of the Net
03-10-2008, 16:21
haha your profile is fine mate, just a crap idea creating it and posting rubbish in the 1st place? that's Sarcasm mate...
Right have to put the landing net away till Weds now as off to Munich for many Stiens, the Bayern match and a bit of work thrown in....
Ross top my dollars up mate, someone at work spent lunch time in the casino on my profile wasting my poker winnings.
Notbothered
03-10-2008, 16:22
oh yeh, you got me allright.
Sandford
03-10-2008, 16:43
Can't see any fault in the reasons why mate but I just cant agree with it personally...
How do you feel as an opposing team when losing 1 nil in a tight game and the opposition make repeated subs to break up the game and your attacking play in the final 15 mins or so? Surely a recipe for full blown arguments/shouting/moaning etc!
Also how do you feel when an oppossing player is close to being sent off or carded for violent conduct/fouls etc and they've already made 3 subs, they then get repeated chances to replace these lads and send on more to foul you until close to being sent off and then replace them etc etc, some teams will exploit this for sure!
And fitness then becomes an issue, whats the point of having the best training/fitness etc when you can come up against 16 lads all half cut from the night before but able to play 10 mins on, 10 mins off and equal it out?
And then you watch match of the day and fail to see any comparissons to the games you've been involved with that morning... I dont mean in skill level, I mean in the overall tactics etc... We're adults and want to have at least the same game as our professional counterparts.....
Just my take on it initially...
While I understand some of your reservations I have played in an adult league like this two years ago and none the above were a reality at all.
boot boy
03-10-2008, 17:25
While I understand some of your reservations I have played in an adult league like this two years ago and none the above were a reality at all.
well if i were a manager and the opposition team had a player running the game i would have a special player on my side who would just have the instruction to take him out soon as you done that son your off again for my flair player to come on.also my team 1 0 up with ten minutes to go and were under pressure sure thing im making sub after sub.answer to it when other teams moan about us dont matter to me were still top of the league.oh yeah from the vinnie jones school me
Slim Bratts
03-10-2008, 17:30
I think we should all play in pink shirts
Sandford
03-10-2008, 17:33
well if i were a manager and the opposition team had a player running the game i would have a special player on my side who would just have the instruction to take him out soon as you done that son your off again for my flair player to come on.also my team 1 0 up with ten minutes to go and were under pressure sure thing im making sub after sub.answer to it when other teams moan about us dont matter to me were still top of the league.oh yeah from the vinnie jones school me
Which one would you be boot boy?
It doesnt work like that.
boot boy
03-10-2008, 17:40
presume you mean player as to who id be meaning flair or taker out.that is for manager of team to decide not me.if you played it my way both would be important one keeps coming on to take out players who give us trouble when hes off flair is on to work his magic
boot boy
03-10-2008, 17:43
dont normally post on topics but this one has got me next people asking to outlaw tackling drives me mad
Glasgow Rangers Champions
03-10-2008, 18:59
dont normally post on topics but this one has got me next people asking to outlaw tackling drives me mad
From these posts mate you should continue to do what you have done before and not bother posting on topics!!
Although if your football skills are like your posts then its clear why you are the BOOT BOY!!!:grt1:
boot boy
03-10-2008, 19:37
do you not believe there would be a manager who would do this just asking?i will go back to sleep now need me pipe and slippers
There are many things that need changing in football, examples being.. tackling from behind (if its a decent challenge whats the problem), keeper holding the ball for six seconds (too long), not being able to appeal a yellow card (especially when some refs hand them out like confetti knowing you cant argue, and my personal favorite simulation (diving) should be a straight red at any level (hopefully would put a stop to it) other than that football is a great game and should be left as such, as someone else said if it aint broke dont try to fix it.
Ps. and the offside rule, put it back to how god made it, if he is offside then he is offside none of this is he interering rubbish.
Raph you ignore them mate pink is just your colour!!!
CoatesFC - Dave
04-10-2008, 09:40
I agree with Moe - somethings in football need changing, but rolling subs is certainly not one of them!!!
My original thoughts on this years ago were no, but since being involved in youth coaching 7v7 and 9v9 mini soccer it works fine.
The Fenland Ladies league with 13 teams also have 11 v 11 rolling subs, and it works ok too. It allowed me to bring on my weaker players, whilst trying to win the matches.
Officially the worst idea ever? There are pros and cons to the idea, but there are plenty more ideas that have come out, that makes this idea pretty moderate.
That said, I can't see the FA making the change at adult mens level.
carefree
05-10-2008, 14:03
I am looking to send a letter to those in power at Soho Square to suggest that there should be rolling on and off subs at adult 11-a-side town football. The level we are talking about is anything below UCL and all sunday football.
Reasons- We are more likely to be able to give more people a game for longer by introducing the sub or subs during the first half and then bring the players who came off back on later.
It keeps squad members more keen to stay with the club.
If you have made all your subs and one of your players gets injured through no fault of their own then you can still compete with a full team and not be penalised due to the other teams fault.
Also a player who has taken a knock can have better and more time for treatment and better chances of recovery to continue later in the game than make a swift decision to be subbed or try and continue and make the injury worse , therefore miss the next 2-3 matches.
Players who are close to over stepping the line with the referee can be taken off and when they have calmed down re introduced.
The argument by some may be that it would timewaste . Then thats the responsibility of the referee to add time on afterall how long does it take to make a sub ?.
I suggested it to the Fa for kids soccer to which they implimented it and it has been a great success. They should now take the next step
Any comments would be welcome for or against
no good at all, 1st taking players off and they warm down then go back on , loads of injuries.
to give more people a game? start another team.
injury after last sub used. maybe allow that, but would have to be one of the un used 2 out of 5 subs not re introduce a used player.
be to much like american football. attacking side get a free kick in a dangerous spot, defending side take off the strikers an some midfield then bring on 50 stone fat kids to block any shots.
overall
leave as is, except using a 4th or 5th sub due to an injury
Calling football SOCCER should be the first thing outlawed.
Association FOOTBALL
Rugby FOOTBALL
Rugby League
American FOOTBALL
Aussie Rules FOOTBALL
I hate the word soccer!
Glasgow Rangers Champions
06-10-2008, 11:11
hear hear Rapha!!
Sandford
06-10-2008, 11:30
Does anyone else on this site have experience of playing in a league with roll on subs?
Seems everyone who has posted, except me, has not experienced this.
Why not you ask all the youth football teams i.e. under 15,14,13 etc if all these problems occur?
And please dont tell me its not relevant because they are not as committed to winning because you would be very wrong.
sneeksxxx8
06-10-2008, 11:32
Its not relevant because they are not as committed to winning???
Glasgow Rangers Champions
06-10-2008, 11:34
to be fair he asked for that really!!
Sandford
06-10-2008, 11:35
Just trying to pre-empt what may others might say concerning the fact that it does work in youth football and they dont encounter all the theoretical issues raised.
Glasgow Rangers Champions
06-10-2008, 11:38
get down the gym tonight Dave and do some abs!!!
Sandford
06-10-2008, 11:43
I was going to "try" to make a visit today actually...maybe that was just the encouragement I needed!
FC Farcelona
06-10-2008, 11:59
Many thoughts on this string which are sensible rather than the rantings on other strings
Of course we have FOOTBALL and not soccer
Allow tackling from behind? will cause more friction between players it IS a dangerous tackle and is correctly outlawed. It is just a pity it is not implemented by referee's all over the world.
Perhaps the over the top tackle should be a designated straight red if the tackling foot is above 12" above the ground might remove a few thugs regularly from the game
Off side law - put it back where it was when Gt Britain ruled the game and we all understood it.*roolz*
Goalie must get rid of ball within 6 seconds is sensible, but that should include the time he takes "falling over" after he has collected the ball and also when he is rolling it with his feet from one side of the penalty box to the other.
A goalie was designated (in days gone by) to be the only player allowed to use his hands so let him pick up backpasses.*roolz*
Remove Sepp Blather and that Flatini bloke, their ideas are for fame not the game:gun:
Put the fourth official upstairs with a 10 second replay button and 6 TV screens to view all contentious decisions. The crap about it slowing the game down is just that. Sky are showing "replays" within 5 seconds of it happening. The Premier league and FA with their vast amounts of money could fund, set up and service camera's at every professional football ground at goalline/penalty box level, one which covers centre of field at halfway and one at both ends to cover the whole playing area
All the fourth official has to do is say "good decision", "you got that wrong" or "you missed that one". All football fans would relish the chance to see a fair game and not one fixed by a conniving manager :wow:
In local football if you want to give more players a game use 5 substitutes from 6 named that would keep 18 interested every week.
And finally at all levels of football only the manager and captain can talk to a ref whilst game is on anyone else talking/abusing ref is an automatic yellow
And more than finally Rollover subs is laughable it is a rule impossible to implement and no-one would want to :stpd:
Thats all folks (if you are still awake):slp:
Sandford
06-10-2008, 12:26
Yeah, mostly agree.
Its obviously not impossible to implement roll on/off subs as it is used in other countries. Not saying whether I agree or not but I am saying that from my experience NONE of what has been mentioned here is a reality with rolling subs.
Many thoughts on this string which are sensible rather than the rantings on other strings
Of course we have FOOTBALL and not soccer
Allow tackling from behind? will cause more friction between players it IS a dangerous tackle and is correctly outlawed. It is just a pity it is not implemented by referee's all over the world.
Perhaps the over the top tackle should be a designated straight red if the tackling foot is above 12" above the ground might remove a few thugs regularly from the game
Off side law - put it back where it was when Gt Britain ruled the game and we all understood it.*roolz*
Goalie must get rid of ball within 6 seconds is sensible, but that should include the time he takes "falling over" after he has collected the ball and also when he is rolling it with his feet from one side of the penalty box to the other.
A goalie was designated (in days gone by) to be the only player allowed to use his hands so let him pick up backpasses.*roolz*
Remove Sepp Blather and that Flatini bloke, their ideas are for fame not the game:gun:
Put the fourth official upstairs with a 10 second replay button and 6 TV screens to view all contentious decisions. The crap about it slowing the game down is just that. Sky are showing "replays" within 5 seconds of it happening. The Premier league and FA with their vast amounts of money could fund, set up and service camera's at every professional football ground at goalline/penalty box level, one which covers centre of field at halfway and one at both ends to cover the whole playing area
All the fourth official has to do is say "good decision", "you got that wrong" or "you missed that one". All football fans would relish the chance to see a fair game and not one fixed by a conniving manager :wow:
In local football if you want to give more players a game use 5 substitutes from 6 named that would keep 18 interested every week.
And finally at all levels of football only the manager and captain can talk to a ref whilst game is on anyone else talking/abusing ref is an automatic yellow
And more than finally Rollover subs is laughable it is a rule impossible to implement and no-one would want to :stpd:
Thats all folks (if you are still awake):slp:
then you take away the level playing field from top to bottom as we all play by the same rules so its unfair some get help in decisions and others dont(i think that has been one of the main reasons for not introducing it so far) that said though there are no official lino's below the ucl so its technically the same argument.
Allow tackling from behind? will cause more friction between players it IS a dangerous tackle and is correctly outlawed. It is just a pity it is not implemented by referee's all over the world.
Perhaps the over the top tackle should be a designated straight red if the tackling foot is above 12" above the ground might remove a few thugs regularly from the game
Tackles from behind are not and never have been any more dangerous than any other tackle, It did not cause any more friction between players than the youngsters now who seem to think football is a non contact sport and turn into babies when tackled. how you going to impliment this 12" rule anyway ask the players to go back to their starting positions and ask them to re-inact the scenario in slow motion or just measure the hight of the stud marks Raph just left of the bloke:scrwy:
FC Farcelona
09-10-2008, 20:05
The tackle from behind has caused more problems in local football than bad refereeing. You should know Moe, when on the field it's quite noticable you speed is a thing of the past (fishing line dangled)
Seriously over the years and there have been plenty of them, in local football I must have seen 30 to 40 players sent off for reacting to a tackle from behind, but quite a few have been more recent than back in time*bkk*
No line needed, lol, was never that quick.
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