View Full Version : Is there any loyalty in the game today?
pufc army
20-09-2006, 10:36
I ask this after seeing close friend Gavin Posey leaving Pinchbeck and deciding the grass is greener on the other side with Moulton. Im saying this as he feels he has been loyal but is 5 games now days loyalty?
I have no sour grapes about his decision or against moulton, but I just feel it shows that there is no longer any loyalty in the game any more. Surely if you sign for a club at the beginning of the season then your saying to that football club that you are playing for them for the whole season. But does money or winning things make a difference, to me at this level of football it shouldn't as at the end of the day it is only amateur football.
carefree
20-09-2006, 10:57
i feel 4 u as i had the same problem 6 seasons ago when i left blackstones 2 go psl, i also had a crop of good young players who started with me and then left me at 1 pt 2 go 2 other higher ranked clubs these teams found it easier just 2 read match reports in the ET rather then watching them. higher clubs note each and every starman proformances, moulton have that edge over pinchbeck because so many have left u and gone moulton then off 2 ucl holbeach/spalding. when u field so many youngsters it will keep happening, best thing is as they get older they do go back to the club that gave them their 1st break. only thing u can do is try and get a few older players to balance things a bit.
past aside i hope u continue your hard work at pinchbeck just be proud that you gave so many youngters that starting leg up in the game, i know personally it is more rewarding then any trophy.
Nice point to make Al and fair play to you for still feeling like that after the way a few have deserted you in the past, different story this season for you though and you deserve it for perserverance alone.
In answer to your question pufc army a simple no and unless managers take a stance on this sort of thing there never will be, the balance of power has shifted to the players and that should never have been allowed to happen, if a player doesn't like the manager or thinks he is not doing a good enough job then he should have the b*****s to stand up and say it instead of running away to another club and saying things behind their backs, bring back the days when men were men
Such an aggressive edge to that post Spec i can see this spilling over on the side lines soon :beer:
Alan Eden
20-09-2006, 13:17
Perhaps it's time for the Peterborough League to think about introducing a transfer window
Doesn't this add spice to the Pinchbeck/Moulton derby though?!!
Pinchbeck can't rely on the youth players coming up through the ranks all of the time. We need to be active in approaching players at other clubs too. If you don't ask you don't get.
Shame everyone isn't as loyal as Rick Harper (circa 15 years)
Need a pink shirt to mellow me Harbs *mock*
:pink:
Is all i can say :lol:
matt leftley
21-09-2006, 11:31
If it mellows him i will get him some pink trousers as well
Bacon egg sausage beans and the fridge today young leftley ?
matt leftley
21-09-2006, 12:49
just had a sald and a glass of fruit juice not feeling well today mate 11 in 6 !
Fair play to you, hope you score a goal per stone, anybody who can hit 30 a season is good enough for me !!
Spec , a bit of double standards here i think - you talking to matt leftley and I remember him not being loyal to Ortonians and leaving because he could not get in the side and was not happy with Tommy!!
I personally think it all boils down to the individual and what respect they have for people. I for one have always tried to be loyal and approach a manager if I have a problem rather than running away. I understand people being bitter and upset and in the posey situation why did he not just be truthful and join Moulton at the beginning of the season?
Unfortunately, people are not loyal but that is the nature of the game today and while we recognise this it is not something that we can tolerate that well.
Moulton vs Pinchbeck will be a cracker now!!
I wouldn't say double standards JNE, the Matt situation was as far as i am aware (and i'm sure i will be corrected if iam wrong) all done above board, i was told he had spoken to Tommy about him not playing regularly and after that he rang me and asked if he could come and join us even if it meant sitting on the bench for the rest of the season, i think it had more to do with the social side rather than him not playing as he has a wife and about ten kids who all come to the games and our base after games was more suitable for their family. Whether he disagreed with tommy's managerial decisions or not are between those 2 but at the end of the day ortonians won the league and we didn't and at the time he joined us they were in a far more favourable position to win it as well.
I think you'll find it was more a change of scene that he wanted not to be disloyal to anybody.
The funny thing about all this is that i couldn't stand the bloke until he joined us, I had had a lot of run ins with him as a player (and i can tell you a great story about one of them) then he joined us and has been a credit to the club and himself with his goals and social skills (although these are waining at the moment), still can't stand him though 'cos he's fat *popcn* *popcn* *popcn* *popcn*
Fair play spec!! That is how it should be done if that was the case.
Matt is a decent bloke and not that fat!!
I personally think it all boils down to the individual and what respect they have for people. I for one have always tried to be loyal and approach a manager if I have a problem rather than running away. I understand people being bitter and upset and in the posey situation why did he not just be truthful and join Moulton at the beginning of the season?
Unfortunately, people are not loyal but that is the nature of the game today and while we recognise this it is not something that we can tolerate that well.
Moulton vs Pinchbeck will be a cracker now!![/quote]
This has all been above board. Posey actually turned moulton down during the Summer and said that he would like to stay at Pinchbeck, as they were making some signings to improve the team, and give it a go as they had improved last season.
Obviously, as u can see from their results, there has been no improvement on the field and no big new signings to speak of.
The player has actually rang the manager to tell him of his decision and received a load of abuse for his troubles. Is there any wonder that players are not loyal when managers react in this way??? Surely if he was any sort of manager he would try and persuade him to stay!!!!!! Not tell him he is taking a backward step and that he will not improve at Moulton. Oh and that he also will not be welcome at his sons Birthday party.
Taking a backwards step going to Moulton? one of the strongest teams in the league, can't see how that is the case.
Do you know for sure that the Pinch manager didnt speak to him about staying at the club and then say well p1ss off then and your not getting any cake at the party?
i find that 3rd party stories always tend to miss a little of the truth out here and there, does sound a bit of a biased post.
Would you not be p1ssed off as the pinch manager if you had just lost a good player to a rival team especially as you pointed out they havent had any new signings?? i would.
[quote="Harbs"]Taking a backwards step going to Moulton? one of the strongest teams in the league, can't see how that is the case.
i find that 3rd party stories always tend to miss a little of the truth out here and there, does sound a bit of a biased post.
Info has come from a reliable source but this is the attitude that some of the Pinchbeck management have about Moulton. The backwards step was aimed at the fact that he wouldnt be playing regular 1st team football.
At the end of the day, any manager would be p1ssed off that he has lost one of his better players, but if you are told things are improving and they dont what do you do? It cant be easy for some of these young lads to be outplayed most weeks. Dont get me wrong the team is young and good but i think needs the guidance of some more experienced players in the team as well as on the sidelines. Until then, Pinchbeck will not be a top half team until these lads do get more experience and that is still 2 or 3 years away yet.
matt leftley
22-09-2006, 12:25
It was not just the fact that i was not playing because i did play about 17 games and started in about 13 of them, had a bit of a personality clash and spoke of this with tommy and agreed to give it 4 or 5 games to try and sort it out obviously it was not sorted and was given Tommy's blessing to leave.
Now the young spec sorry i mean old fuc-er.
I did not like you either because of the same reasons, i guess the story would be one of a cup final in which you won and i lost however having one it several times already i did not mind so much as well as seeing you 6 foot in the air with a nasty gash to go with it was actually quite satisfying (was you going on holiday the next day as well) this is making me laugh now.
Not that any one would of looked at your reminder of our love on your leg "you had a big belly"
SOCIAL SKILLS
After your "amazing" team talk on sat one of which i personally will not forget i remember you saying
every one at the club for a drink like it should f-cki-g be
oh dear you turned up an hour after the game and went of after another hour while
me and the lads all stayed. Not a good example no excusse either. :face:
FAT BAS-A-D
Well, what can i say, look in a full length mirror and you will see that im not that fat.
Re the backwards step comment, i'm pretty sure Posey will be a regular first teamer. Moulton have had a big hole since Tommy Treacher left and from playing against Posey last season i'm sure he can fill that space. When we played Moulton they had Benty and Sinny up front with Ian Locke on the bench, so unless Moulton had an injured, absent or suspended forward i presume they were actively looking for another forward (no disrespect intended to the mentioned 3).
I don't think it boils down to loyalty in this situation, surely it is a case of Posey wanting to play to the best of his abilities and be on the verge of winning the league? It's unfortunate for Pinchbeck because they're losing one of the best, if not, their best player. I'm sure Posey is grateful to Pinchbeck during his time there. He's a young lad and 9 times out of 10 young lads will improve and move on (hopefully) to bigger and better things.
pufc stalwart
22-09-2006, 16:10
Unless Moulton are going to change the way they play, I don't think Posey will be a regular first teamer (not yet anyway). Do you think that Moulton are going to drop either Benty or Sinny? Benty is scoring plenty of goals at the minute and Sinny is one of the best forwards in this league on his day.
thunder4
22-09-2006, 17:21
he must have gone there cos he needed a new pair of boots. the ones he is wearing at the min dont seem to be scoring many! :lol:
red card
22-09-2006, 18:16
i cant understand all the cr*p written about posey. like most of us he,ll never be a pro, its a hobby about enjoyment,obviously he wasn,t happy, if he was he,d still be at pinchbeck,winning or losing!
BLUE BOYS
22-09-2006, 19:59
there are still people who stay loyal in football, but end of the day even at this level you want to win things. dont no the lad but he signed on played a few games and realised that things werent getting much better.so has decieded to have a move to see if he can play in a winning side. no disrespect to pinchbeck but to say we will improve in 3 years so be it thats three years away anything could happen in that time
SportsSec
22-09-2006, 20:15
On the subject of player's changing clubs - I see in the ET that Bainesy is going to Deeping Rangers - Did they put in a proper 7 day approach Spec?
does there need to be an approach? he will still be elligable to play in the pboro prem for fletton.
You are right JB he is able to play in the Peterborough League. However the correct procedure should be to put in a 7 day approach. I am sure that Deeping would have followed those procedures. Good luck to Mark he should do well as hopefully will go onto better things.
BLUE BOYS
23-09-2006, 09:26
i would say that they have done the right thing as bainsey was at a deeping game about a fortnight ago with tommy to have a look i would say the time in between has been the approach. somtimes people are to quick to look at negatives rather than say fair play.
pufc army
23-09-2006, 11:15
Moulton Pinchbeck games are always godd games to be involved with anyway. As you see its hard to accepot that one of your beter players is leaving. But what was said was that its hard to take as if he wants to better himself surley it would be better to go to Holbeach, Spalding Deeping etc.... but to say your going to a team in the same league to improve questionable. Nothiong against the league but your going to be playing against the same players week in week out, so to better yourself surely you want to play against better players. Even though he will be able to learn alot off players like skeggy and sinny.
pufc army
23-09-2006, 11:18
oh and good luck to the old boy because at the end of the day hes still one of my quality mates and sure well be out on the p1ss again dis weekend. :bub: :bub: :bub: :bub: :bub:
so by your logic a player from say reading wouldn't be betterring themselves by joining one of the big 4 in the premiership?
get real mate :mad:
i would like to know who the reliable source is pee wee? and at the end of the day the two people who spoke on the phone will only ever know the truth and both will have changed what was said to favour themselves it is human nature to look for sympothy. and as the managers son whos party it is me and gave have spoke and sorted it out so again this forum has rumours that are false! fair try though pee wee nearly got people to beleive you.
all the best to gavin would have preferred for him to go UCL etc but his descion so fair play
oh and by the way his move to moulton is not 100% yet as at pinchbeck yesterday moulton and one other team had a 7 day apporach in for him and i personally know he has talked to the other team!
Very brave Matthew, wait for me to go away for the weekend and slaughter me knowing I can't reply straightaway.
Mr Hickey in answer to your question, I was very impressed with the way Deeping approached our player, everything above board and no problems with that. Young Browett, no deeping didn't have to 'officially' put in a 7 day approach but as Mr Chambers has replied it is what we would call etiquette and shows a little respect for us small clubs (how's the old man anyway haven't seen him for a while and please give him my regards).
As for his move to Deeping, I think he has made a wrong decision, or should I say been advised to make a wrong decision as he could of and should of moved to a higher standard, perhaps the person who was so quick to come on this site and drop hints that he knew what was going on while discussions were still ongoing should take a look at himself and ask the question to whose interests he was really looking after.
Spider Man
25-09-2006, 13:31
Did Mark Baines play for Deeping on Saturday. Agree he should end up higher and Deeping should just be a stepping stone but shame Spec not a bit more supportive. He helped get your season going. League games a bit dull Saturday are there any decent games lined up this week.
yeah my dads good spec and says hi, i agree that a club should have the decency to approach you but the problem is if they dont there's not really much you can do about it is there? which is wrong. you shouldn't be able to hold the player back but they should have to make some form of legal approach.
pity this new geezer didn't come to posh in the summer as i'm sure keith alexander would then have had the resources to give bainesey the trial he intended and offer him a deal if successful. its hardly worth taking a young inexperienced player on trial if you cant do anything about it is it.(and look at the successful local players to slip through posh's fingers since fry's been involved!)
i agree he could've gone to a much higher level but as for the club itself i had my most enjoyable times as a footballer at deeping and although it was a while back i'm sure its still be a fantastic club to play for and there are scouts present at most of their games so possibly a good stepping stone?
ok thicko's !! let me explain properly, I have no problem with Mark leaving at all, If anything I have encouraged him from day one to play at a higher level, I had lined up a far better club for him to go and spend some time with (higher standard wise) and it would have been a great chance for him career wise to move into professional football, I have no problem with him going to Deeping at all as he well knows, I just think he has been given the wrong advice. I have no sour grapes with him leaving us and I am just glad we had him for as long as we did, he is always welcome back as he also knows.
Maybe I worded the last post wrong or maybe a few stirrers out there wanted to make it sound as though I was bitter at him leaving, he knows what has gone on between me and him and I know as well, enough said.
i dont think you worded things wrong and i think you,your club,bainsey and deeping have done everything how it should be done. i was using it as an example of what i think should be rough guidelines on a player moving to a higher level when a player and potential new club could morally screw his existing club over.
as for spidermans comments anybody that knows bainsey well or not would be supportive of him in his potentially successful career. its not very often that a player that good keeps his feet on the ground and doesn't spend his whole life showboating and being big-headed is it!? even in the crappy 7 a side leagues where half the people cant even kick a ball he doesn't show big-headedness which says a lot for him as a player and a person.
Spot on jb, who do I replace him with, now there's a challenge........
matt leftley
25-09-2006, 15:06
Did not no you was away, And no need to be brave your not frightening.
did you have a good time
Spider Man
25-09-2006, 15:08
No doubt that u r supportive overall Spec, but Baines has gone up 2 leagues which is a big enough leap for now surely. Think he got ****ed off with promises that did not come off from the likes of Lincoln and Posh as well as others locally including Tommy and a few others that told him they could get him a trial here there and everywhere.
matt leftley
25-09-2006, 15:27
Replace him, well in my "opinion" until the player who played there against oundle and got star man gets it wrong let him be.
He is one who did not abandon ship and i personally tipped him for player of the season and will back that up with cash as well, yes we do need another player but not sure if it should be for that role.
the whole point of a special player is they cannot be replaced otherwise a replacement would also go on to bigger and better things aswell. but you find an alternative player who i'm sure will do a good and maybe excellent job and go on to have the same potential if his place is taken by another youngster. maybe you've already found a player that fits your squad cos you can find the best player in the world but if they dont fit then it wont work.
spiderman if you knew anything you'd know it was keith alexander who was after bainsey and when he came to posh he intended on pursueing his interest in him but as i earlier mentioned its pointless trialling unboubted potential if you can't offer them a deal if successful :stpd:
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