View Full Version : Huntingdon Reserves vs Sileby Rangers
maccaceltic
03-03-2011, 09:15
For the 1st time since taking over i can say i have a full squad to select from & personel to compete.
We started the brighter & controlled the 1st 15 mins, but lost a bit of momentum for a 10 minute spell. with us dominating there keeper & defence was busy & we played a lot of pass & move. in 25th minute there keeper pulled off a double save from Lee Deane to keep them in it & a 30 yarder from Jamie Browett.
Unfortunatly a sloppy tackle gave them a free kick outside our box & with us switched off the took it quick! there 11 hit a shot that clearly hit there own players hand in our box fell to the 7 with open goal to poke in 1-0 down.
Normally we feel sorry for ourselves after going a goal down, but the heads were up & we went for it, Gerard Evans put a delightfull cross over the head of there full back for Ondre Odaine to control & slot past the keeper 1-1 half time.
2nd half we started quick & again pilled on the pressure then Mark White played a floating ball over the top which there centre back tried to head home only for Sam Moakes to nick it & pass it into empty net. we switched off after going ahead allowing them to build momentum, panic stations set in & midfield got caught over passing it & they snatched it to put the ball in the net.
Jake them pulled off a few good saves to keep us level & we were on the ropes. double substitution, Michael Drage for Sam Moakes & Michael Benning on for Lee Deane. we held off the pressure until a great finnish in the 89th minute that bounced off the bar & only just landed behind the line 3-2 & we were devastated. So all out attack in last 3 minutes, a ball from Mark White found Michael Drage on edge of the box & a great little pass sideways to Michael Benning to run onto & smash it into the top corner 3-3, 93rd minute but no more than we deserved.
After the match i was very happy with what id seen, still a few teething bits but allround happy with what i seen especially as there a great team who also had 4 1st team players playing for them. My man of the match was easily TomHart on his debut he was calm & composed at the back & made a huge diffrence. Team rating 9 out of 10
Number 9
03-03-2011, 09:42
Macca your full and complete squad implies these lads will stay with you week in week out? Or it is a full and complete squad for midweek games only?????
maccaceltic
03-03-2011, 09:52
I had 1 player who can only play midweek. The rest are there for good! On Saturday I had 23 to choose from so it's looking good & the fact that none were from the 1st team means maybe were progressing. Loosing that 1 individual isent to bad on saturdays as I have 4 quality players who are waiting in the wings to make there debut
Number 9
03-03-2011, 10:02
I can name 2 from the ones you named for def mate, Lee Deene -Hampton, Odaine - Your first team!
maccaceltic
03-03-2011, 10:05
Lee Dean is helping me midweek & Ondre Odaine is with me & hasn't played even 1 min for 1st team?
Well done Macca, great result against a good side. Benning and Jake are real gems for the future.
Number 9
03-03-2011, 10:24
Great Result Macca, and if Odaine stays top signing to mate well done!!!!
maccaceltic
03-03-2011, 10:47
He will stay, my objective was to have a team capable of competing with the 1st team & in order to do that I had to bring in 1st potentials, eg: Gerard Evans, Michael Calvin, Tom Hart, Mark White, Michael Fox!
Theres no reason why any can't make it in 1st team & basically that's what the reserves are there for
Number 9
03-03-2011, 11:08
Is that Foxy from Hampton 2? I wish you all the best mate but cant see the likes of odaine playing week in week out for the Res, when he clearly first team Quality. I look forward to seeing this develop mate as im sure they have all give n you there word But players Word is a funny thing!
I think these lads will stay loyal to Macca Mick. They are all mates with each other too and he has a good thing going there, from what I saw before hanging-up my boots.
maccaceltic
03-03-2011, 11:20
If Ondre gets asked to go 1st team then that's fair enough! As I said that's what were here for! (unfortunately)
But Rick has just signed a few quality strikers so there squad is full & the fact Michael Calvin, myself, Gerard are in the team helps as were all good mates. No difference for a lot of teams who have players that can easily play higher but enjoy playing with there mates
Number 9
03-03-2011, 11:22
LOL Spot on Macca im glad all is rosey in your garden. Is Michael Fox the lad from Hampton?
maccaceltic
03-03-2011, 11:43
Yes, good player. But has a fight on his hands to get in the team
Macca...think you need to learn some manners. Just found out that one of my players turned out for you last night. A phone call would of been the polite thing to do. Although I fully understand that there is no rule stating you have to, it would of been common courtesy to let me know.. this would of at least given us a chance to speak with the player instead of you filling his head with promises and diverting his attention. We are 5 games away from completing our season and have a semi final of the senior cup coming up and we are now a player down.
Once again the great UCL hurts a club..
Number 9
03-03-2011, 14:51
Al I think its not so much lacl of manners as much as a lack of who cares anyway from the UCL clubs? My experiences with players going to UCL sides have been bad to say the least but the 1 club i did get respect from Huntingdon. i know that Als moved on but dont think that this should change. I had a bad experience with Pat Raymaent at Deeping assuming it was ok just to take 1 of my players. The rules stink!!!! That said a little further up the ladder when Stamford approached the lad a 7 dayer was put in and we acknowledged this and was greatfull. Just because its not requied doesnt mean its appropiate to do it!
Macca would this be 1 that you have plans for permantely? And i would haste a guess that its not Browett????
Micky your right about Al. He always showed respect to clubs when wanting a player. It's happening too many times to clubs and the sooner the fa bring in a one player one club rule the better.
Interesting to see that huntingdon reserves are looking to compete with the 1st team.. I always thought a reserve side was there to compliment the 1st team..
As much as macca is a good mate, i got to agree with Alex on this, i did a similar thing to Gino when i was at cliffe by inviting Luke Elsom along to play in a friendly for me without mentioning it to Gino, call at a school boy error by me, gino let me no point blank that i was out of order, i apologised and thankfully he accepted.
Whether there is a rule or not about approaching a player to come play for you when he is already at a club, whether its at a 'Higher Level' or not, common courtesey should be shown. Saying that did Macca know that Tom was playing for you Alex? he probably did, i just asking.
Number 9
03-03-2011, 15:26
Was this instigated by a fellow player? The players are the worst for doing it. They sew the seed of doubt and then it just snowballs. While i accept that this is unfair to blame the manager its still completely out of order for the manager to take him on at any point without a courtesy call. This in my opionion is the same close season to. If you wanna sign any player in season put in & DAYS. Out of season a call of respect??????
In Macca's defence, this is his first management role and it is a steep learning curve. I'm sure the two men will resolve the matter like gentlemen and in the future, he'll know the right etiquette.
maccaceltic
03-03-2011, 15:53
After speaking to alex & heard what he had to say, or shout! I apologised as I was nieve to not think about the pdfl rules. I should have rung him & told him! Now I better not bump into him or ive had it.
It was a rookie mistake & I hold my hands up. What done is done & I've tried to appologise for my mistake
1st job or not he knew the player was already at a club and as he has admitted to me he's "been asking him to play for ages". Don't buy into the inexperience theory I'm afraid.
Then to be fair, if macca knew he was at a club and had been asking the lad for ages an approach should have been made to the manager/club, even though it is the managers resposibility to notify surely the player in ? should take some reaposibility himself and could have and probably should have approached his manager about the situation as well??
Number 9
03-03-2011, 16:13
Sorry Admin i dont buy into that first post either thing! The deadline is now passed for PDFL sides so Al cannot go out to replace his player in the crucial part of the season. I dont think that its the players reponsibility if you want respect from other managers you have to be approachable and approach people to! I would hesitate a guess at this and say Macca knew he was signed and knew the ruling so thought bollox ill get JB on board and have him win him round? Am i right macca?
I dont think macca would need JB to win him round, macca knew the lad from his short time at cliffe, but does that then again come down a little bit to loyalty of players to clubs n there managers? If i was still playing and i was part of a team/club that was challenging for the league title and a cup and was playing regular, i wouldnt entertain a move to another club, whether it UCL or not.
maccaceltic
03-03-2011, 16:28
As far as I was aware he could go back to cliffe on Saturday, but alex told me he already has a ucl centre back & can't play him. Tom was doing me a favour, I signed him Monday night to play tuesday if Jeff peters couldn't play. Unfortunately he couldn't so Tom played after he said he wanted to play. So I told him to let alex know. In retrospective, as I said I should have rang alex & said I need him, but I didn't not out of ignorance or grand gesture, I simple just didn't think of the consequences easy as that.
Alex has not accepted my apology & threatened me that's his response & to a certain extent I don't blame him. The rules as far as I was aware is you can play for both clubs obviously that not black & White ?
young evans
03-03-2011, 16:31
i thought that you had to leave it 2 months since the UCL player last played in a league game before they could join a another UCL player playing for a PDFL team. Basically if your centre back hasnt played in the UCL in 2 months shouldnt you be OK?
Number 9
03-03-2011, 16:40
Its 28 days, To be honest Macca i would be p i ssed off with you 2, How Al reacts is not malice its passion, for his team, players and aspirations of promotion. He will be feeling really let by yourself and the player im question. I bet finding you bragging about how he was the star player on here hasnt helped!
Its simple a player weather playing at the dizzy hights of the UCL RESERVES or PDFL is a clubs player once signed> Show some respect and make it known of your intentions before. You will then know the complications and repercussions before you act!!
Should have asked me if you needed someone as an emergency Macca. Micky, I thought you want to stick up for him, not make things worse? !!! Alex, you're understandably angry if he is ineligible, that puts a different slant on things, but the player should shoulder some of the blame for not clearing it with you first too.
Just to clear things up... they player I have is not a center half and in no way a threat to the player that has gone place. Also I did not threaten macca but said just to stay out my way. There is a difference.
Number 9
03-03-2011, 16:54
Should have asked me if you needed someone as an emergency Macca. Micky, I thought you want to stick up for him, not make things worse? !!! Alex, you're understandably angry if he is ineligible, that puts a different slant on things, but the player should shoulder some of the blame for not clearing it with you first too.
What sort of comment is that Raph,I aint stiring it and I aint gonna stick up for him when he is wrong!!! Macca is a good friend of mine but HE IS WRONG IN MY OPINION. If you wanna have a debate sight lets have an opinion if you dont want a comment i wont but i wont put what you want be to either Raph!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Macca you know me from when you played for and against me mate, tell it as i think it is! I might not be right but what im telling you is the way i think i is!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
bluestar
03-03-2011, 17:02
Know it doesn't apply in this case chaps- but the other thing to consider when these guys make "guest" appearances is the insurance implications to a player getting injured - probably more relevant for friendlies but I remember having a right go a Roger Daniels who got one of the lads from Whittlesey to "guest" for him in a friendly, despite that lad already having signed on for Whittlesey -I understand the lad just wanted to play, but he wasnt so pleased when I explained that had he got injured, he wouldnt have been covered by Whitlesey's insurance and sure as hell he wasn't covered by Roger or the team he was guesting for - just something to remember when you are trying to bring new faces to a club........
Mick, I was just surprised how angry you seemed! Is Macca stealing your players too? Ha ha!
Number 9
03-03-2011, 17:13
No he aint mate the reasin it winds me up is i know how Al feels, as i said earlier Raymaent at Deeping did to me without a word!!!!!!!!!!
maccaceltic
03-03-2011, 17:46
no-one should stick up for me. I did something the wrong way have admitted i've gone about it the wrong way, apologised for it, Alex is angry & rightfully so, its that simple!
Lads, lads, lads, its great that everyone has an opinion, and everyones opinion will differ in some way or another, but lets not fall out over it ( unless your macca n alex lol ). Its for them 2 to either sort out or not sort out. I am also a mate of macca's n i would be RIGHTLY p i ssed if he did that sort of thing to me, but as mentioned earlier i would also hold the player in ? a little responsible.
You cant at all blame Alex for being p i ssed off, he his only ganes away from a possible title win and a possible cup final appearnace, in his 1st season with his new club.
carefree
03-03-2011, 22:07
sorry i havnt replied on this lads, as ive had an illness in the family, macca now knows what he did is wrong, i made the same error when i first went to stamford 14 years ago and got punished by lincs fa for it, i took 2 players from perkins without giving them any notice on the advise given by steve evans lol, we thought it was fine to do so, but even then it wasnt allowed, but macca should have been warned about signing players and the correct way to do it by his club, you do still have to put 7 days in to for player no matter what league or division he plays in. it is also respectful to talk to the players current manager, if you do this then most will let the player move on hassle free. its important that you respect every football club no matter how small. there is another problem i can see on here macca and its for hampton, if you played 2 of their players in this game, then only 1 can play at a time for them in the next 4 weeks.
Macca stop wallowing in self pity.... I haven't said that I don't accept your apology or threatened you with physical violence as your post suggests.. Your apology is accepted just learn from it and move on. One word of advice though. The peterborough footballing community is quite a tight nit organisation, and although we don't always see eye to eye, we will try and do right for what we believe in. So just tread carefully, as you never know you may need us one day..
maccaceltic
04-03-2011, 06:35
I didn't know the pdfl rules, I got it wrong & clearly didn't think about it, it's that simple a lesson well learnt. The last thing I want to do is get on the wrong side of any manager as Alex said I might need a favour 1 day.
1 thing is for sure it won't happen again & I now know the pdfl rule on it
bluestar
04-03-2011, 08:37
Macca mate we all gotta learn - but I think you should concentrate more on the points that AL and Alex have made in terms of doing the right thing by your fellow managers and less on the "PDFL rule", thats the way to salvation sunshine - The rule is there, but what it doesnt do is detail the consequences of taking these lads on i.e the ineligibility issue as described by Al and the point so correctly made by Alex, i.e. the help that you, I, and everyone managing a club will need at some time -focus on the people things mate and the rules generally take care of themselves - Far better you do something because its the right thing to do rather than do it because the rule says so - simples..........
Macca I think you should meet Alex and smash his face in ????
Hope that help buddy
i have stayed out of this arguement as i have been asked by macca not to get involved as he had spoken to to alex on the phone and via a few txts and sorted it with him, but with a few insinuations that i was in some way involved i'd like to clear a few things up. a few months back in the kings cliffe changing room on a sunday morning most of my lads were, as you do, chatting about their saturday games. in conversation tom hart was asked whether he was starting, to which he replied he was. as he didn't seem over enthusistic about actually starting he was asked what the problem was if he was starting. he replied with the fact that he just wasn't enjoying it as much as he had in previous seasons. at this point macca said "if you fancy a change i'd love to have you at huntingdon". toms reply was that he didn't really want to quit the side as he had, as i do, a lot of love for kings cliffe as it is a great club. he also stated the distance issue to get to huntingdon and the fact that he'd started training with bourne for some extra fitness, and with him living near stamford they would be a much closer option should he decide to make a move. he did say though that if he hadn't signed anywhere else he would be happy to help out if we were struggling for midweek games or when cliffe didn't have a fixture (as a lot of local players do, and vice versa). Then earlier this week we had a defensive crisis and desperately needed an extra centre half, so naturally macca got in touch with tom to see if he could help out, which as we all know he did. As for the game itself, it was one of the best atmospheres and team spirits that i have ever experienced, and i've been in a "joyous" westwood changing room many times! after the game, tom said he couldn't remember the last time he'd enjoyed a game of football so much and said he wanted to play all the time. macca basically told tom that if he was sure he'd have to get in touch with alex and let him know that he was leaving, just as i did when i left, and then macca would do the official approach out of courtesy. This is where i see the problems stemming from as macca shouldn't have put the match report up which clearly meantions tom's excellent game, before tom had been in touch with alex and the neccessary approaches made. for me macca was just over zealous, as after a lot of hard work we seemed to have got things just right on the pitch and macca was proud of his side and wanted share that, what the site is for.
at the end of the day mistakes were made in the order of proceedings and all macca is really guilty of is being over eager, which i'm sure is something we're all guilty of when something comes to fruition, such as our performance on wed night. i'm sure all parties will learn from this.
Back of the Net
04-03-2011, 11:41
Some good reading here - Gino that's quality advice lol....
Mick is right, just do what you think would be right for other teams/managers/clubs/players etc and all will generally turn out well, the rule is ok but it doesn't tell you how other people will feel if you action something that effect them and their club etc.
As a manager you suddenly effect lots of others by what you do and say, I always tried to bear that in mind whenever I was bringing in players or letting them go elsewhere and I do think the better managers out there have this in mind - Al, Gino etc
I think macca's learnt his lesson and has said as much, stupid thing to do but as Al said he did something similar and it made him better as a result as he then made double sure he did things the proper way afterwards.
But Macca if all else fails then Gino and I will give you a lift to Alex and I'll have a £5 on Alex in the 1st 2 mins :)
Number 9
04-03-2011, 11:57
Jb - Thats totall rubish mate and you know it!! You clearly state where you see the problem is that Macca put a match report on after he played! How is that the start of thee problem. The fact Macca chose to play him without a courtesy call to Al is where the problem is!
All it took was 1 phone call, not out odf the rules but out of respect!! What dont you people get??????
" Al its Macca just a quick 1 mate im gonna play 1 of your lads for me mid week as wee short, i know im allowed but im letting you know!"
Al then has the heads up to ring his player and say" look i know your helping him out But if you play you wont be able to play for me after!We have have a big finally to the season coming up and you are crucial! Lets do it together! BLA BLA BLA"
The player then doesnt play and all is left to close season!!
Macca, has admmitted he is wrong and apologised, alex said in an early post above apology accepted as such, i am sur macca will learn from this ( as some of us who have done a similar thing have done ), there will be so many different opinions on this subject ( which is good ) and you can look at this situation from so many diff angles, as harsh as it may or may not sound, whats done is done, hopefully macca n alex will resolve any little fallouts over this situation ( lifes too short ) and can both now carry on with there respective seasons and ' GET THE JOB DONE ' as they say.
Back of the Net
04-03-2011, 12:07
lol lads, I think everyone gets it (apart from dumbo - sorry JB mate :) ) and Macca has learnt a lesson as he's said...
Hopefully others reading it will pick up some ettiquette also!!
. . . and everybody lived happily ever after. The end.
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